Ram Dass on the Levin Interviews | Part 2 of 2 - BBC 1981

Ram Dass interviewed on the BBC in 1981. Ram Dass talks about how we use techniques that free us from identifying ourselves as our thoughts. As we extricate ourselves from these attachments, it's as if we are going behind the thoughts, to the space behind them. There is a difference between saying, "I am depressed" and saying, "There is depression." In the spaciousness behind the forms is the equanimity. Prisoners can use their time in prison to become free. Prisons are a lot like monasteries. Ram Dass isn't in the business of pleasure and happiness, but he is in the business of freedom and awakening. When you awaken, you stop identifying with your body. Then, you lose the fear of death.